New Spider Hooks

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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by North Country Angler » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:19 pm

The hooks are based on a couple changes I advised them to make to the L3As. Firstly to straighten the eye and then to shorten the hook-shank length. The original prototypes were right in regards to the hook shank length but the length of hook point and barb were not of the right proportion to match the shank. The photo on the Partridge website is of a fly I tied on the old hooks at least years BFFI. Sadly some light fingered swine stole all my flies tied on the prototype hooks at the same BFFI. The images of the new flies tied on the new hook should be on the partridge website in the next couple of weeks.
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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by Mike Connor » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:58 pm

tie2fish wrote:The Daiichi 1640 has a little sneck in the bend; wonder about the Partridge ...?
Do you mean the reverse?

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1640
Multi-Use Dry Fly Hook
Round bend, straight eye, 2X short shank, reversed, forged. Uses - Caddis flies, Spiders, Ants, glo-bugs, eggs, Tricos, extended-body dry flies. Bronze finish.
SIZES: 2-20

Hook anatomy;
http://www.mustad.no/www2010/?page_id=86

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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by Mike Connor » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:46 pm

"Sneck bend" hooks have a "square" bend;

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More info; http://www.eflytyer.com/materials/hook_info.html

Lately I have been seeing a lot of references to the hook "Gap", and a few people asked me about it. I have no idea why people started using this term instead of "Gape";

"Bite" or "Throat" refers to a different dimension.

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Seems to be an American thing.

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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by hankaye » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:13 pm

Mike Connor, Howdy;

Same as we write color as opposed to your colour, or tire for your tyre.

The rebellion still lives !!! :lol:

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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by willowhead » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:20 pm

i c what you mean Bill.....simply put.....it's a bit ugly.....like a sneck :lol: Being on the Daiichi Pro Team (and i do like&appreciate most all their hooks of course), i prolly shouldn't be that honest. "Just can't help myself." :D
Perhaps ugly is the wrong word.....(not for a sneck, lmao), "Boring" might be better.......course, that's just my sense of asthetics.....all fishing considerations aside..... ;) p.s. i actually don't much like the looks of the Partridge model either..... :? :P ..... 8-)

btw, anyone ever use the Kamasan B220 Black Nymph hook to tye a flymph?
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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by Mike Connor » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:41 pm

hankaye wrote:Mike Connor, Howdy;

Same as we write color as opposed to your colour, or tire for your tyre.

The rebellion still lives !!! :lol:

hank
Yeah, up the rebels! That's not the same thing here though, the terms "gap" and gape" refer to different things.

I don't mind at all how you spell various things as long as it doesn't cause confusion. The term "gap" when referring to an eyed hook is this;

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and there should not be one there, or at least only a very small one.

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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by wsbailey » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:58 pm

Ron Eagle Elk wrote:Nice looking hook, Bill. I wonder how they compare to a Daiichi 1640 in shank length/gape.

REE

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It seems we fly tyers enjoy an embarrassment of riches these days. I welcome the fact that the fishing industry is giving us soft hackle addicts some attention. It wasn't very long ago that I was scouring eBay trying to get all of the colors of Pearsall's silk thread and now we can get them readily. Competition has really made the hook makers pay attention to quality and selection. I'm not sure how the two hooks compare but I can't wait to find out. Bill

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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by wsbailey » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:40 pm

This is a link to a picture of the new spider hook according to the author of the post:
http://www.flyforums.co.uk/fly-tying-fo ... range.html

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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by willowhead » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:03 am

Boy that hook sure isn't much to look at...........maybe? "new" means made to look old..........????? :lol:
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Re: New Spider Hooks

Post by wsbailey » Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:41 am

willowhead wrote:Boy that hook sure isn't much to look at...........maybe? "new" means made to look old..........????? :lol:
I was thinking the same thing Mark. Bill
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