Touch Dubbing Wire

[Mike Connor]

Of course you can use separate pieces of floss etc tied in along the body as well, but this is a bit finicky.

TL
MC

[DUBBN]

Very clear Mike. I also see where Mohair could be a possibility. I worked with the Ostritch and now I too see where it is very delicate .

I tyed a prototype a few minutes ago with an underbody slightly dubbed with muskrat, then teased out between the ribbing wraps.

Hook - Mustad 9672 size 14
Thread - Olive Dun 8/0 Uni
Tail/Shellback- Bronze dyed Mallard
Rib - Mahogany Midge Tubing and Small Hot Yellow Wire.
Abdomen- 30lb Mono tyed in at the sides for a flattened appearance, Covered with Muskrat
Thorax - Chocolate Hares Ear slightly teased out.
Collar - Undersized Brown Hen Hackle.





This pattern is starting to take shape. I am sure the way it is tyed now will work fine for my fishing applications, but I would also like it to be pleasing to the fishermans eye. I am thinking the floss as gills could be the answer to this. Easyer to tie, and more efficient to change colors of the pattern, and like you said Mike, "more robust". I am sure there is enough Hackle to this pattern to assure that there is plenty of movement (trigger).


Keep the suggestions coming in. I am all ears.


Wayne

[Mike Connor]

That is looking good. Probably an excellent fish catcher. These imitative "hairy things" often are. While I know what you mean, I don't much care how my flies look to anglers, all I care about is that the fish take them!

TL
MC

[Jim Slattery]

Hi Wayne,
Your first post threw me off as you said you wanted to tie flymph pattern. After rereading your post I can see what you really want is a Short Hackled Nymph. A Flymph by definition is a insect that is in transition between nymph and a dun.
The green drake nymphs that I have encountered here all have an amber cast to them such as the photo in your post. I have found even the darkest Green Drake nymphs still have tis amber cast when the sun hits them.
So a few suggestions would be to use the Leisenring Dubbing Loop method to create the body and thorax. This will give you volume and translucencey. You mat want to try using different types of dubbing material in your dubbing blend such as seal, hares mask and regular rabbit or muskrat to get different hair textures , coarse to fine. The coarse hair will give you volume and the less coarse material will move at diffrent water pressures from the current and or line manipulation. For the the thread you might want to try Pearsall's Hot Orange or similar wich will give you a nice dark amber undercolor when wet.Grizzly or Badger dyed Golden Brown would make a nice hackle color.
Good Luck and I hope you feel better soon,
Jim

[willowhead]

Hope you feel better quick Wayne..........FANTASTIC thread..........MUCH thankx to all............Great stuff. Dig......i found a package of MoHair somewhere on the road, in a color i've never seen before..........it's called Pond Olive, and is black/green or green/black.....with both light and dark green in there and a little red in there.......man, it's a killer color.......if you can find it, might make a dynomite thorax. If you can't find it.....i'll send you a snip.

[Mike Connor]

Very clear Mike. I also see where Mohair could be a possibility.

Wayne

The wool used on those flies is actually mohair. Sorry, I should have mentioned that!

You can also use a "magic tool" table to make a wire "hackle" with very short dubbing. You can also do this with your fingers but the table is more convenient.

http://www.petitjean.com/shop/en/magic-tool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rb3-hR8 ... r_embedded

http://www.flycraftangling.com/index.as ... ticleID=47

You can make your own using a small block of foam. Slit the foam as desired with a razor blade or similar. Place your dubbing etc across the slit, pull your thread into the slit, pulling the dubbing down with it.

You can also make a dubbing block like this;



This works fine for making very short mohair "hackles" etc. Even mixing the colours if you like. Short black hair and then somewhat longer brown hair gives a "Furnace" hackle for instance.

How to make your own clips;

http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=43455

TL
MC

[DUBBN]

Thanks for the well wishes all.
Jim, while I have never noticed the amber color of the Drakes here in Colorado, I would not bet that it is not there. I just havent noticed it. The picture I posted is from Troutnut.com and I havent a clue where he got it, but it represents the Drake better than the picture i have. This is a picture of the Gunnison Drake.



The Green Drakes on the Frying Pan can be almost a Red brick color in some spots and a dark Olive in others. I have seen them be a drab Grey color on the Colorado, and an almost Black/Olive in places on the Gunnison. I will tie a few in different colors between now and the end of April and test them out.

You are right Jim, I am trying to imitate the nymph, and I am trying to do it with a Soft Hackle or Flymph. It may be a short hackled nymph, but I still believe it qualifys as a Flymph. I have a vast arsenal of nymphs that I do extremely well with, but just for my own satisfaction, and maybe adding a little handicap, I do want to take them with a hen hackled fly. It puts a little spring in my step when I get to do that.

I am putting a little too much into this fly, but the thought of watching Ellen and Dr. Phil....Well, I would rather this forum have to put up with me while I am sick than me trying to watch daytime TV.

Thank you all for the input. I am always amazed at the information that can be shared on this forum!

[willowhead]

We're more than glad to do it Wayne.....and you dead right.......Doc Phil and Ellen outta "get together and have some museum pieces".......

btw...........nice flies you tyed above

same goes for you Mike.....or whomever tyed them

[Jim Slattery]

Hi Wayne,
You never can put too much thought into a fly. Some flies take time to get right, after all the fish have the final say. What can be really frustrating is when you work on a pattern and tie just one of a new idea, perhaps a few one of a kinds. You go out and fish them and one is working and keeps working and then you loose it. Man it's back to the drawing board trying to remember what the heck color/tying combinations you used on that "FLY". One time I found the" magic bullet" fly, boy it was working just great. I was about ready to put it away when I saw a nice rise at dusk. So naturally I cast to the rise. Well just as the fly is rolling out on the water this dang bat gets a hold of it. As much as I wanted to get that fly back there was no wayI was going to touch the bat. The bat and I both lost. It took me 2 or 3 more years to come up with the right combination to recreate that fly. The dressing is now firmly locked into the memory bank.
This is why to me "flymph" fishing is so much fun. Experimenting and trying new ideas on the fish as well has keep on hitting that home run once you get it right.
Take care,
Jim

[Mike Connor]

Hah! Knew I had a link to that somewhere;

http://www.pechetruite.com/Mouches/cdc-dubbing1.htm

The foam from sandals "Flip-flops" works well, but of course foam is used for lots of things.

Also excellent;

http://www.pechetruite.com/Mouches/dubbing-e.htm

TL
MC