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button hole twist

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:40 am
by ronr
I've been trying to work out the body material on a commercial soft hackle. I've identified the color, but can't find the thread. It is a silk, its not gossamer pearsall's, it appeared to be button hole twist. I took a chance and ordered some button hole twist silk from Superior threads, but it was too large diameter...
Question is: are there button hole twists of various diameters? Who makes them, and who has colors similar to Pearsall's?

The image is the commercial fly..size 18...

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:48 am
by upstatetrout
Usually button hole twists are 3 stranded. I usually use 1 strand when tying a fly.

Tom

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:55 am
by wsbailey
In “The Book” it says “better than the buttonhole twist available today (1970), however is Pearsall’s Marabou floss silk”. I use Belding buttonhole twist I got on eBay.

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:57 am
by Old Hat
I think all button hole threads are probably going to be too big for a #18. There are slightly different sizes but they are all big.

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:05 pm
by wsbailey
Marabou floss can be split.

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:10 pm
by ronr
I twisted three strands of Alec Jacksons Premium silk floss and got pretty close..., I also tried to separate the 3 strands on the Superior button hole stuff, but that was a glorious failure...

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:36 pm
by Roadkill
ronr,

I agree with Carl that buttonhole twist might be a little bulky for my taste on the #18.

Here is a #18 I just tied with Kinkame #50 that I get from Britex in San Francisco.
https://www.britexfabrics.com/catalogse ... d&q=thread

This thread is larger than Pearsall's Gossamer.

ImageIMGP5935 by William Lovelace, on Flickr

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:48 pm
by Tom Smithwick
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Hi Ronr
The top spool is Pearsalls, the others are Belding Corticelli. None of them are all that easy to separate without getting a bunch of fuzz. I would also be inclined to find some #50 or #60 thread. Just curious though, are you sure the commercial fly is silk? the body of the fly does look a lot like the body of a serendipity pattern which was popular a while back. They were tied with Antron yarn, which could be separated into smaller bunches pretty easily for smaller flies.

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:32 pm
by ronr
tom.. its is possible that it is not silk..but I've tried everything I can think of to find its duplicate.
Probably silly to care that much about the material.. but this fly has caught fish for me. Since it is a commercially tied fly and available in fly shops in the area.. it probably is not silk now that I think about it, but its a dead ringer for the color of the pearsall's orange silk. I've tried separating some of the silks.. and yes, the fuzz creates a problem.. the closest match I've found is twisting strands of the Alec Jackson silk floss... I will see if I can get some Anton to work...

thanks for all the suggestions from the membership..

Re: button hole twist

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:43 pm
by Old Hat
Good call Tom. That does look like it could be a serendipity body.