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Minty Dove
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:17 am
by Smuggler
Silk: Langley "Mint"
Rib:Heron
Thorax: Squirrel
Hackle: Dove over covert.
Tied on a Daiichi 1560 #16
I went fishing Saturday morning in hopes of catching some trikes (tricos) but, no such luck. So I just swung some flies around in likely holding areas for a couple hours. The only thing I managed was a Heron feather floating down the stream.
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:50 pm
by zen leecher
nice use of dove. Two thumbs up.
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:00 am
by tie2fish
That is beautiful, Eric. I love that soft dove hackle and your head wraps are impeccable.
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:44 am
by Smuggler
Thanks Bill's.
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:43 pm
by William Anderson
Eric, that hackle looks a lot like waterhen. I just tied a few of those waterhen and turkey spiders like the ones I bought from Joe fox. As we've had success with them all season it seemed foolish to travel without them. This hackle and silk combo makes for a nice effect. Beautifully tied. Your heron won't last long but if it induces a take it was worth the addition. I haven't fooled with mint silk. I look forward to seeing these.
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:12 pm
by Smuggler
Waterhen and turkey, yes. I tied some with and without a wing after that trip. I'll definitely be bringing those.
I thought about twisting the herl with the silk but, I can never get that method to work. It always seems to break the herl, maybe I twist too much? I'll play around with that tonight.
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:45 am
by Mataura mayfly
Well, it looks the part, be interested to see how it fishes.
One would think there would be a plethora of patterns calling for Dove or Pigeon as they were/are both readily available, but there seems to be very little historic record of either being used in fly tying.
Still, it looks pretty damn nice!
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:37 am
by daringduffer
Geoffrey Bucknall, in his book "Fly Fishing Tactics for Brown Trout", writes that he preferred wood pigeon secondaries to heron for his Kite's Imperials. One of the reasons he mentions is that this feather gives three different shades of grey. I contacted Lucian Vasies at Trout Line to source some of these and got this answer:
Hi Stefan,
Thank you for your email and suggestions , I appreciate it a lot. We will have these feathers in our shop as soon will start hunting season. Also wild pigeon and turtle dove . We use herls from primary feathers from these birds from years from our local flies and also in competitions. A very small fly tied with CDC and herl from turtle is absolute deadly in Autumn time
cheers
Lucian
Skues, in "Silk, Fur and Feather", writes about wood pigeon
PIGEON, WOOD. This bird offers a number of beautiful blue feathers of colours that look admirable, whether one resorts to neck or wing, or back. But there is a harshness, a stiffness and opacity, and a tendency to split about the feathers, which are characteristics common to the feathers of all the pigeon tribe, rendering them very disappointing to the dresser. Still, they are given in some of the books, and, without recommending them, the writer feels bound to give them. For all purposes for which the lighter coloured feathers of the woodpigeon can be used, the feathers of the common gulls and sea swallows are greatly to be preferred.
PIGEON, DOMESTIC, AND OTHER VARIETIES. - The hackle from the glossy neck of a ruddy brown pigeon is used for a Derbyshire pattern called the Whistler. The wings of the white varities can be used for the Coachman and other white winged flies. But see remarks under "Pigeon, Wood".
In his day, common gulls and sea swallows were probably more available than today. As pigeons are still shot for food, they ought to be offered to the tier but rarely are. This Whistler, and the Bucknall Imperial version, are the only patterns I can remember to have seen, until I read the latest issue of Fly Fishing & Fly Tying where one George Barron gives his stillwater patterns using said feathers.
This Minty Dove would probably be a success as an after dinner snack.
dd
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:56 am
by tie2fish
daringduffer wrote:
This Minty Dove would probably be a success as an after dinner snack.
dd
This would be when the hatch is finished?
Re: Minty Dove
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:54 pm
by daringduffer
tie2fish wrote:daringduffer wrote:
This Minty Dove would probably be a success as an after dinner snack.
dd
This would be when the hatch is finished?
Precisely. Just what triggered Mr Creosote in that old movie, when he was fuller than full but couldn't resist the offered after dinner mint...
I wonder if he has stopped vomiting yet.
dd
