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Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:07 am
by DNicolson
Here is an interesting little book by W. C. Stewart of whom some of
you regard as a quite useful source of information.
It relates to a dispute he had with H. Cholmondeley-Pennell over
the merits of upstream fishing as opposed to downstream, also
Cholmondeley-Pennell had written a book in 1870 called
'The Modern Practical Angler' which title, Stewart objected to.
Read on :-


http://www.archive.org/details/cautiont ... 00stewiala

http://www.archive.org/details/modernpracticala00chol

ps The name is pronounced 'Chumley'. :)

Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:04 pm
by letumgo
Thanks Donald. I have downloaded both books for further study.

Thanks for the pronouncing the name for us. I would not have guessed it was simply "Chumley".

Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:14 pm
by CreationBear
ps The name is pronounced 'Chumley'. :)
:lol:

Y'all Brits have certainly done some strange things with the English language, having been in its possession for so long. (And no, I won't confess how old I was before I learned that the "Thames" rhymes with "Jim's" and not "James'." :) )

Anticipating the read as well...

Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:19 pm
by North Country Angler
It is a good job John Jackson wasn't alive or he could have had a rant at Stewart also!

Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:54 am
by Mike Connor
DNicolson wrote:Here is an interesting little book by W. C. Stewart of whom some of
you regard as a quite useful source of information.
It relates to a dispute he had with H. Cholmondeley-Pennell over
the merits of upstream fishing as opposed to downstream, also
Cholmondeley-Pennell had written a book in 1870 called
'The Modern Practical Angler' which title, Stewart objected to.
Read on :-


http://www.archive.org/details/cautiont ... 00stewiala

http://www.archive.org/details/modernpracticala00chol

ps The name is pronounced 'Chumley'. :)
It wasn't just the title, Pennell plagiarised Stewart's book. Pennell was an inveterate social climber and not a very nice man at all. He often rode the coat tails of others.His book "The Modern Practical Angler" is a bad joke. The flies he invented more or less useless. Oddly, he is still credited with inventing various things which he did not invent. Notably the "Black Pennell" among others. He produced a lot of books, none of which are very good, and some are really terrible. His theories on fly-fishing were largely ridiculous.

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query ... %20pennell

TL
MC

Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:31 am
by Mike Connor
North Country Angler wrote:It is a good job John Jackson wasn't alive or he could have had a rant at Stewart also!
Unlikely that he would have ranted much.

http://www.archive.org/details/practiflyfish00jackrich

This brilliant work, which was completed after the author´s death, was financed by subscription, and the list of subscribers is like a who´s who of Yorkshire anglers of the time. Most unusual as well that Jackson should concentrate on grayling with such obvious fervour. They were not a popular fish at that time. The plates are quite remarkable. The book is now very rare, as not many were published anyway, and most will now be safely stored away in libraries and private collections. This is a seminal work for Yorkshire fly-anglers, ( and indeed others!) but seldom receives the recognition it actually deserves. MC

An example plate; http://www.archive.org/stream/practifly ... 2/mode/2up

FLIES FOR MARCH.

NO. 1. DARK BLOA.

Wings. Dark feather, from the inside of Waterhen's wing.
Body. Dark red brown silk.
Legs. Black Cock's hackle.
Tail. Two strands of the same.

NO. 2. OLIVE BLOA.

Wings. Feather of Starling's quill, dyed in onion peel.
Body. Light olive silk.
Legs. Olive-stained hackle.
Tail. Two small hairs from a Rabbit's whisker.

Vary this Fly by using a feather undyed, or a Snipe's quill feather.

NO. 3. RED CLOCK.
Wings and Legs. Red hackle, or Cock Pheasant's neck feather, hackled on.
Body. Brown herl f Peacock ; bright red silk.

NO. 4. LITTLE BROWN.
Wings. Feather from the inside of a Woodcock's, or Hen Pheasant's wing.
Body. Red copper-coloured silk.
Legs. Brown hackle.

This fly comes early, and at first is best made from the Woodcock ; but soon getting lighter, the Hen Pheasant should then be used.

NO. 5. ALDER FLY.

Wings.- Dun feather of a Landrail's or Throstle's quill.
Body. Blue and brown fur of a Squirrel, ribbed with lead coloured silk.
Legs. Dark grizzled hackle.

NO. 6. BLUE MIDGE.
Wings. Feather of Waterhen's neck, or Landrail's back.
Body. Lead coloured silk.
Legs. Grizzled hackle.

These two flies are both bred in Autumn ; and as well as No. 4 may be seen on mild winter days. No. 6 best taken on moist days.

NO. 7. RED-TAILED SPINNER.
Wings. Feather from a Landrail's quill.
Body. Red silk, gold twist.
Legs. Red hackle.
Tail. Three strands of the same.

NO. 8. GREAT BROWN.
Wings. Feather from one of the inner or shorter quills of a Hen Pheasant.
Body. Copper-coloured silk, ribbed with olive.
Legs. Olive-stained hackle.
Tail. Two strands of the same feather as wings.

The Great Brown is probably of greater notoriety than any fly on the river, and is imitated various ways, according to the taste of the angler, the state of the weather, the climate, and the river ; it is by some considered the greatest killer ; for my part I consider the olive or the yellow legged Bloa, which are always out at the same time quite equal to it. From a number of methods I have tried in making and fishing this famous fly, in addition to the foregoing, I recommend the following.

FOR THE EARLY PART OF THE SEASON.

Wings. Ruddy grey feather from the tail of a Partridge.
Body. Red silk, ribbed with olive.
Legs. Grey feather from a Partridge's back.
Tail. Two strands of the same.

In heavy, cold weather, use for Wings. Outside of Woodcock's wing feather.
Body. Olive silk, ribbed with gold tinsel.
Legs. Red hackle.
Tail. Two strands of the same.

LATE ON IN APRIL.

Wings. Light Pheasant's quill feather, stained in yellow dye.

Body. Fur of Hare's face, ribbed with yellow silk.
Legs. Greenish yellow hackle.
Tail. Two strands of wing feather.

Some of our local Anglers use for wings inside of Woodcock's wing, hackled on a body of orange silk. This, in my opinion, would be taken for the little Brown.

I have had good sport with a ruddy grey feather from a Partridge's back, hackled on a body of copper coloured silk.

NO. 9. COW DUNG FLY.
Wings. Landrail's quill feather,
Body. Gosling's down, or buff Berlin wool, or buff herl of Ostrich, yellow silk.
Legs. Yellow hackle.

Best on windy days.

NO. 10. BROWN CLOCK.
Wings. Glossy feather of a Starling's neck, wrapped on a body of Peacock's herl and brown silk. Well taken in bright frosty weather.

NO. 11. YELLOW-LEGGED BLOA.
Wings. Feather from the inside of Dotteril, or Teal Duck, or the lightest part of Starling's quill.
Body. Straw-coloured silk, waxed with cobbler's wax.
Legs. Greenish yellow hackle.
Tail. Two strands of same.

NO. 12. WATER SPANIEL.

Made by wrapping a Pewet's topping, or Tom Tit's (Wren's) tail feather, on a body of orange and lead-coloured silk, snipping part of the fibre off again.


FLIES FOR APRIL.

NO. 13, GREY GNAT.
Wings.- Grey feather from a Partridge's back.
Body. Orange coloured silk.
Legs. Grizzled hackle.


NO. 14. PIGEON BLUE BLOA.
Wings. Feather of a Blue Pigeon's, or Waterhen's neck.
Body. Brimstone flame coloured silk.
Legs. Yellowish dun hackle.
Tail. Two strands of the same.

This fly has a golden coloured head, best made with a strand from the tail of a Cock Pheasant. When you use the Waterhen's feathers, take the tips of two, and do not divide the wings.

NO. 15. YELLOW MIDGE.
Wings. Lightest part of a Throstle's quill feather.
Body. Pale yellow silk ribbed with orange.
Legs. Yellow hackle, or head the fly with down from the root end of a feather.

NO. 16. GREAT SPINNER.
Wings. Dark part of a Starling's quill feather.
Body. Brown silk, ribbed with gold tinsel.
Legs. Red hackle.
Tail. Three strands of the same.

N.B. The Jay's quill is more transparent.

NO. 17. BLACK MIDGE.
Wings. Starling's quill feather.
Body. Black silk, or black Ostrich herl.
Legs. Black hackle.

Make three or four, vary the size and colour a little, and fish them all together ; as when this fly is on, fish rarely rise at any other.

NO. 18. SPIDER LEGS.
Wings. Rusty coloured feather from a Fieldfare's back.
Body. Lead coloured silk.
Legs. Dark grizzled hackle.

NO. 19. SAND FLY.
Wings. Euddy mottled feather, inside of Hen Pheasant's wing,
Body. Reddish fur of a Hare's neck, ribbed with
light brown silk.
Legs. Ginger coloured hackle.

NO, 20. GREEN TAIL.
Wings. Inside of a Hen Pheasant's wing.
Body. Lead coloured silk, with a knot of green Peacock's herl for tail.
Legs. Ginger hackle.

These two flies should be dressed very full in the wing, and are taken in warm weather as early as six o'clock in the morning.

NO. 21. DOWN LOOKER
Wings. Feather from the inside of a Woodcock's wing.
Body. Orange and lead-coloured silk neatly ribbed.
Legs. Hackle of Woodcock, or Grouse hen's neck.

An excellent killer.

NO. 22. STONE MIDGE.
Wings. Feather from a Pewit's breast.
Body. Herl from a Heron's quill, wrapped on sky-blue silk.
Legs. Blue dun hackle.

FLIES FOR MAY.

NO. 23. LITTLE WHITE SPINNER.
Wings. Light Blue feather from the inside of a Pigeon's wing.
Body. Orange silk for the extremities, white for the middle.
Legs. Pale blue dun hackle.
Tail. Three long strands of the same.
It is well made by wrapping a pale dun hackle on the above body.

NO. 24. GREY MIDGE.
Wings. Feather from a Woodcock's breast, wrapped on a body of pale yellow silk.


NO. 25. YELLOW SALLY.
Wings. Pale yellow dyed feather.
Body. Yellow silk, ribbed with fawn colour.
Legs. Yellow hackle.

NO. 26. MAY BROWN.
Wings. Ruddy grey feather from the back of a Partridge.
Body. Olive coloured silk, ribbed with light brown.
Legs. Olive-stained hackle.
Tail. Three strands of the same.

A SPINNER of this class is made on the same body ; Wings, Starling's quill feather ; Legs, purple hackle. This Spinner should be made rather less than the May Brown.

NO. 27. PALE BLUE BLOA.
Wings. Feather of a Sea-Swallow.( A blue feather from the outside of a Sea-Swallow's wing. )
Body. Pale yellow silk, ribbed with light sky blue.
Legs. Pale yellow hackle.
Tail. Two strands of the same.

A good evening fly.

NO. 28. YELLOW FLY.
Wings. Yellow dyed feather.
Body. Yellow silk.
Legs. Yellow hackle.
Tail. Two strands of the same.
Green herl of Peacock for head.

NO. 29. LITTLE STONE BLOA.
Wings. Feather from the inside of a Swift's wing.
Body. Brown silk.
Legs Brown hackle.

NO. 30. BARM FLY.
Wings. Feather from the outside of a Brown Owl's wing.
Body. Orange and ginger coloured silk.
Legs. Ginger hackle.

Another fly, same size, called Oil fly, is on at the same time.

Wings Same as last.
Body and shoulders. Black Ostrich herl, and dark red silk for tail.
Legs. Black hackle.

NO. 31. GREAT ALDER FLY.
Wings. Landrail's, or Snipe's quill feather.
Body. Dark mulberry coloured silk towards the head, and bright red at the tail.
Legs. Brown hackle.

NO. 32. MAY-FLY.*
Wings. Feather from the inside of a grey Goose's wing.
Body. Two strands of yellow, and one of drab Ostrich herl, neatly ribbed ; tie with brown silk.
Legs. Brown hackle.
Horns and Tail. Rabbit's whiskers.

NO. 33. GREEN DRAKE
Wings. A mottled feather of a Mallard dyed olive.
Body. The middle of pale yellow silk ; the head and tail brown.
Legs. Olive or brown hackle.
Tail. Three strands from a Cock Pheasant's tail feather.

NO. 34. GREY DRAKE
Wings. Mottled feather of Mallard, dyed feint purple.
Body. The middle of white silk ; the head and tail brown.
Legs. Purple hackle.
Tail. Three hairs from a Rabbit's whisker, or chesnut hairs.

* The May-fly is generally fished natural, being large enough to swim a good sized hook, or two smaller ones tied double. The one represented is the female ; the male, or Jack, as he is called, being much smaller, his wings shorter than his body, and his colour much darker. Fishes seem to prefer the female ; and from her great length of wing, enabling her to swim better, she is a much more tempting bait. They are to be found beneath the stones close to the river's edge, from about the 20th of May, or later according to the season ; and continue in season about ten days. An imitation of so large a fly can scarcely be expected to kill except in a wind, or late in the evening ; nevertheless I can safely recommend the above imitation to the notice of the scientific angler.

FLIES FOR JUNE.

NO. 35. SOLDIER.
Wings. Outside Red Hackle ; inside Jay's quill.
Body. Light red, ribbed with brown silk.

After parting the inside wings, take a rather larger red hackle than is commonly used for legs, and wrap it twice outside the wings ; so forming the hard wings and legs of the fly.

About ten days later, comes a dark coloured fly of the same class, called Sailor, made with olive hackle.


NO. 36. HAWTHORN FLY.

Same as No. 17, but larger.

NO. 37. LIGHT SILVER HORNS.
Wings. Throstle's, or Landrail's quill feather, with four strands of grey Mallard to make the white spots.
Body. Light brown and lead-coloured silk.
Legs. Sooty dun hackle.

NO. 38. BLACK SILVER HORNS.
Wings. Outside of Waterhen's wing, with two strands of Mallard to make the white.
Body. Black Ostrich herl ; olive silk.
Legs. Black hackle.
Horns of both Grey Mallard.


NO. 39. LITTLE DARK BLOA.
Wings. Inside of Waterhen's wing.
Body. Lead-coloured silk,
Legs. Yellowish dun hackle.
Tail. Two small hairs from a Babbit's whisker.

We have PALE BLUE BLOA same size, at the same time.
Wings.- Light part of a Starling's quill feather.
Body. Pale yellow and fawn-coloured silk.
Legs and Tail. Pale yellow dun hackle.

NO. 40. JUNE DUN.
Wings. A feather from a Dotterills back, or the outside of a Cock Sparrow's wing, hackled on a body of blue Rabbit's fur, and drab silk;
Legs with honey dun hackle.

NO. 41. TWITCH BELL.
Wings. Inside lightest part of a Starling's quill feather ; outside and legs, brown hackle.
Body. Brown Peacock's herl, made in the same
style as the Soldier, No. 35, but much less.


PLIES FOR JULY.

NO. 42. JUMPERS.
These are the small flies that settle upon you while hay-making : they occasionally take the water, and are then greedily taken by fishes.

One is imitated by wrapping a Tom Tit's tail feather on a body of yellow silk. The other, by a Golden Plover's hackle on a body of yellow silk.

NO. 43. LITTLE OLIVE BLOA.
Wings. Feather of Starling's quill ; dyed in onion dye.
Body. Lead coloured silk, ribbed with yellow,
Legs. Dun hackle, stained same as wings.
Tail. Two small Rabbit's whiskers.

This fly turns to a red Spinner, made with red wings, tail, and legs. Body, brown silk ribbed with yellow ; taken in the evening.

NO. 44. BLACK ANT.
Wings. Feather of a Bluecap's tail.
Body. Black Ostrich herl, dressed small in the middle.
Legs. Brown hackle.

NO. 45. RED ANT.
Wings. Sparrow or Lark's quill.
Body. Herl of Cock Pheasant's tail.
Legs. Red hackle.

NO. 46. LITTLE BLUE BLOA.
Wings. Bulfinch's tail feather.
Body. Dark blue silk.
Legs. Dark blue, or black hackle.
Tail. Two strands of blue hackle.

FLIES FOR AUGUST.

NO. 47. AUGUST BKOWN.

Wings. Feather from a young Partridge's back, bright Hen Pheasant's quill, or grey Goose's breast.
Body. Light brown silk, or Hare's face, ribbed with pale yellow silk.
Legs. Grizzled hackle.
Tail. Three strands of the same.

This fly turns to a fine red Spinner, less but brighter than No. 7, well taken in the evening. The August Brown is equally as good in its season as the March Brown, which it very much resembles, though lighter coloured and smaller.

NO. 48. CINNAMON FLY.
Wings. Feather of a yellow Hen Landrail or Owl, that is near the colour of cinnamon.
Body. Orange and straw coloured silk.
Legs. Ginger hackle.

This fly continues nearly to the end of the season, and is always best taken in a shower.

NO. 49. LIGHT BLOA.
Wings. Inside of Snipe's wing feather.
Body. Light drab silk.
Legs and Tail. Grizzled hackle.

The Spinner is too transparent to imitate.

NO. 50. DARK BLOA.
Wings. Feather from the inside of a Swift's or Waterhen's wing.
Body. Reddish brown silk.
Legs and Tail. Brown hackle.

NO. 51. ORANGE STINGER.
Wings. Feather from a Starling's quill.
Body. The head of brown, the tail of orange silk, dressed small in the middle.
Legs. Furnace hackle.

This, though apparently a scarce insect, is greedily taken by both Trout and Grayling, from the middle of August to the end of September.

NO. 52. GREY GRANNOM.
Wings. Dark gray feather from a night Hawk, or Brown Owl.
Body. Red Squirrel's fur, ribbed with fawn coloured silk.
Legs. Ginger hackle.

This fly is of the same class as No. 48 and 20 ; having dark green eggs attached to it about the 12th of August ; it continues long in season, but grows darker coloured as the cold weather advances.

NO. 53. NANKEEN SPINNER.
Wings. Light Starling's quill feather.
Body. Nankeen, or Fawn coloured silk.
Legs. Honey dun hackle.
Tail. Three long strands of the same.

A beautiful red Spinner of the same size is in season at the same time. They are two excellent flies, on fine evenings, about the middle of August.

NO. 54. SHINING BLACK SILVER HORNS.
Wings. Dark shining feather of Cock Pheasant's neck, or*outside of Rook's wing.
Body. Lead-coloured silk, ribbed with yellow.
Legs. Dark grizzled hackle.
Horns. Two strands of the same.

This fly continues till the middle of October, is best taken on moist cloudy days. It is rather less than No. 38.

FLIES FOR SEPTEMBER.

NO. 55. LIGHT OLIVE BLOA.
Wings. Inside of Dotteril's wing; or smaller quill of Sea Gull.
Body Pale french white silk.
Legs and Tail. Pale blue hackle.

About the same time there is another light bloa ; wing of the same feather as No. 55 ; body, yellow silk ; legs, r yellow hackle ; tail, two strands of same.

NO. 56. DARK OLIVE BLOA.
Wings. Inside of Waterhen's wing.
Body Lead-coloured silk.
Legs. Dark olive or black hackle.
Tail. Three small rabbit's whiskers.

NO. 57. SMALL WILLOW FLY.
This fly is best made by wrapping a feather from the inside of a Snipe's wing, or a small grizzled hackle, on a body of light brown silk, or Mole's fur and yellow silk.

Best on warm days.

NO. 58. LARGE WILLOW FLY.
Wings. Inside of Woodcock's wing feather.
Body. Moles fur spun on yellow silk.
Legs. Brown hackle.

This fly is well made by hackling a grizzled hackle of a copperish hue on the above body.

FLIES FOR OCTOBER.

NO. 59. BLUE BOTTLE.
Wings. Jay's quill feather.
Body. Green herl of Peacock, or purple silk.
Legs. Pewit's topping, ribbed neatly down the body; the fibres then snipped off, except under the wings.

The Peacock's herl gives it a green, the silk a blue tint ; this, as well as the House Fly, are out during most of the season, but are seldom taken, till weakened by cold weather they fall in great quantities on the river.

NO. 60. HOUSE FLY.
Wings. Lark's quill feather.
Body. Light brown silk, ribbed with drab Ostrich herl.
Legs. Grizzled hackle.

NO. 61. SMALL OLIVE BLOA.
Wings. Starling's quill feather stained in onion dye.
Body. Yellow silk ; cobbler's wax.
Legs. Olive-stained hackle.
Tail. Two strands of the same.

This fly is probably the same as No. 2, but is much smaller. It seems to live all Winter, and appears early in Spring, as Nos. 1 and 2.

NO. 62. DARK GREY MIDGE.
Wings. Dark grey feather of Partridge.
Body. Brown, or olive silk.
Legs. Grey Partridge, or grizzled hackle.

This fly, with Nos. 61, 5, and 6, are the last flies out. In the year 1851, on the 16th and 17th of December, with these four flies, I killed eleven large Graylings, besides smaller ones and Smelts : the river at the time being very low and clear, the weather mild, inclined to frost.


PALMER HACKLES
Are probably taken for Caterpillars or Hairy Worms, and are good general baits for Trout and Grayling, being taken by the largest fish in all seasons.

NO. 63. RED PALMER.
Body. Greenish herl of Peacock, ribbed with gold tinsel ; wrap with red silk. Red hackle over all.

Good, in low, clear water.

NO. 64. BLACK PALMER.

Body. Dark Peacock's, or Ostrich's herl, ribbed with gold tinsel, green silk. Black, brown, or dark red Cock's hackle over all.

This is an excellent bait when the water is clearing off after a flood ; especially in warm weather.

It may be made on a large hook, but two smaller ones as in the pattern are preferable.

A good Palmer for Spring is made body, green herl of Peacock, gold tinsel, green silk, with a greenish stained or grizzled Cock's hackle over all. It may be made about the size of No. 63.

A good general fly is a mottled hackle, from a Hen Grouse's neck, wrapped on a body of brown Peacock's herl and yellow silk. N.B. Our local Anglers use a Golden Plover's hackle, and Tom Tit's tail for the same purpose.

Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:08 am
by Mike Connor
CreationBear wrote:
ps The name is pronounced 'Chumley'. :)
:lol:

Y'all Brits have certainly done some strange things with the English language, having been in its possession for so long. (And no, I won't confess how old I was before I learned that the "Thames" rhymes with "Jim's" and not "James'." :) )

Anticipating the read as well...
Thames normally rhymes with "gems". This may be affected to some extent by local dialect or pronunciation differences.

TL
MC

Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:33 am
by Mike Connor
The plates for those flies slightly digitally enhanced. The plates from the fourth edition have the correct colours, the other editions had the wrong colours.


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Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:26 am
by North Country Angler
I better look after my first edition then :lol:
There were in fact two lists of subscribers, the second one tends to be forgotten. Although some of the subscribers are well known, most of them are have little connection to Jackson. Off hand I think there is only about four I haven't traced.
Cholmondeley-Pennell was in fact plagiarising Stewart who himself plagiarised others. What goes around comes around!

Re: Stewart versus Cholmondeley-Pennell

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:14 am
by Mike Connor
Several editions were published, one without plates.

http://www.archive.org/stream/practifly ... 3/mode/2up

Subscribers here;

http://www.archive.org/stream/practifly ... 7/mode/2up

The second and third editions had problems with the colours. The fourth edition had the colours corrected although the original copper etchings were still used to produce them.

First and other early editions are now very valuable.

Various editions;

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query ... pe%3Atexts

The fourth edition with the corrected plates;

http://www.archive.org/stream/practical ... 7/mode/2up

Notes on that;

http://www.archive.org/stream/practical ... 8/mode/2up

TL
MC