Cowdung question

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Re: Cowdung question

Post by letumgo » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:44 pm

Bill - Thanks for posting the images. I find them to be very interesting! I am surprised how different our landrail wings look. In your wings, you can clearly see the "pinkish tinge" in the feathers mentioned by Leisenring. I did not see that in the ones I own. It makes me wonder how much variation there is in landrail wings. Does anyone know how different the male and female landrail look?
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by wsbailey » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:54 pm

Comparison picture:

http://www.birdguides.com/webzine/article.asp?a=1514
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by letumgo » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:00 pm

Thanks Bill. I am beginning to think my "genuine landrail" wings are something different. (bummer)
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by wsbailey » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:10 pm

On the plus side chukar feathers are easy to get and I doubt the difference would be apparent on a finished fly.
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by zen leecher » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:15 pm

I think I have a complete chukar skin out in the freezer. Now all I need to do is find it.
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by Mataura mayfly » Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:55 pm

And if one cannot find Chukar wings, one might be able to find Red Legged Partridge wings. ;)

Bill, that comparison photo is a revelation. Never having had a Landrail wing I did not realise just how close the Chukar wing is as a sub. I doubt many tiers could pick the difference on a tied fly- let alone a trout.
The Cowdung used to be a popular fly here in NZ, but has fallen by the wayside (as many of the older patterns have), popular both sides of the Atlantic as well, but very little is written about the pattern and not a lot of interweb thingy interest either.
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by wsbailey » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:07 pm

Jeff, without Leisenring and Ray Bergman the Cow Dung would probably be little known in the US as well. Here is an interesting reference to the history of the fly: http://softhacklepatternbook.blogspot.c ... y-and.html. A modern interpretation: https://youtu.be/c_DIayRmQQY.
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by William Anderson » Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:54 pm

Bill, thanks for the images and the links. This thread is interesting. I have always thought the cowdung fly to be a minor interest because of the specific conditions in which the natural is present for trout, but it's a great looking pattern. Something I might give a go.
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by wsbailey » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:38 am

There is actually a cow dung dubbing. Scroll down the page on this site:
https://www.frankiemcphillips.com/categ ... bbing.html
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Re: Cowdung question

Post by letumgo » Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:52 am

Oh man, I did not need to see those Irish dubbing blends. Bill, I think you just cost me a fortune.

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